I don't know about DSM-V,but I know that DSM III and IV made exeptions for relifious beliefs. Otherwise every religious person would be considered delusional by psychiatry.
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The rank and file and mentally diseased!
by ADJUSTMENTS inthis sounds like the typical rank and file jw, it's actually a mental disorder, i and many others were once in this state.... delusional disorder is an uncommon psychiatric condition in which patients present with delusions, but with no accompanying prominent hallucinations, thought disorder, mood disorder, or significant flattening of affect.
[ 1 ][ 2 ] delusions are a specific symptom of psychosis.
non-bizarre delusions are fixed false beliefs that involve situations that could potentially occur in real life; examples include being followed or poisoned.
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Why do JWs think ISIS is sadisitc but the Israelites under Jah's command loving?
by BU2B ini have heard so many jws complain about isis and how cruel and sadistic and pitiless they are.
all my mind can think about is how their techniques are so similiar to the ancient israelites under joshua that the jws feel are heroes and champions of true worship.. role models for kids.
isis believes that non-believers who do not subscribe to their world view should be killed in brutal ways.
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"God Himself (whom you don't believe in) states that He has NO desire to destroy the wicked- but will HAVE to."
So God has to act against his own will? Hmm, maybe it's not easy being omniscient and omnipotent!
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Will you out live the WTBTS?
by Coded Logic inone year an elder, his special pioneer wife, and their two aux-pioneer children flew out to ny so that they could tour bethel.
while visiting they noticed an old man standing on top of the headquarters with a pair of binoculars.
the elder was perplexed by this and asked their tour guide, what's that old man doing on top of the roof?.
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I see, I'm sorry...I did not observe what section it was it! My bad.
It was a good one :-)
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My evening at the pub - how many ex-JW's do you think there are?
by berrygerry inso i'm having a pint and talking to the owner and his gf.. she's talking about her line of work - leads to my family history - and that my wife is in a strange religion.. the owner snorts, and says very disdainfully that his ex was a jehovah's witness.
i said bingo.. then the barmaid pipes in about her grandma and all of her aunts and uncles were witnesses, and were all out.
but the grandma has witness siblings, so went back after 20 years.
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Balaam....those 2/3 is about children raised as JW's ...a lot of those kids probably never were baptized. But in a way one can say that they are XJVs.
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Will you out live the WTBTS?
by Coded Logic inone year an elder, his special pioneer wife, and their two aux-pioneer children flew out to ny so that they could tour bethel.
while visiting they noticed an old man standing on top of the headquarters with a pair of binoculars.
the elder was perplexed by this and asked their tour guide, what's that old man doing on top of the roof?.
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Dismissing servant
This sounds like an JW urban legend to me.
Maybe I'm a very sceptic person?
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The frustration of talking to a person with a closed mind
by TheStumbler inokay, this is going to be a bit of a general rant.
i had a long conversation with a jw elder recently about shunning and evolution.
i became qunite frustrated with the conversation and admitted this at the time.
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Dismissing servant
I think that the TS is an outsider...probably he likes intellectual honesty.........but, you are right.
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The Ransom Sacrifice
by Ding inback in the 60s, wt literature stressed that jesus died to offset adamic sin.. later, they started talking in terms of jesus dying for personal sins as well, but maybe that was ray franz's influence.. as a jw, did you feel that jesus died for your sins or only for adam's original sin?.
does anyone know the current wt teaching on this?.
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I did not "feel" anything....
But the teaching was that every sin in the world was a consequence of Adams original sin....and I think that teaching is the same now. Somewhere in Pauls letters it was stated that sin came to mankind via one specific man, Adam.
This is the teaching of most of christianity aswell, but I think mainstream churches focus a bit more on the ransom for personals sins than the JWs do.
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The frustration of talking to a person with a closed mind
by TheStumbler inokay, this is going to be a bit of a general rant.
i had a long conversation with a jw elder recently about shunning and evolution.
i became qunite frustrated with the conversation and admitted this at the time.
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Yep, it's a non argument..and a thought stopper. That's the way cognitive dissonance works.
Nope, they are not tryingt to "convert people to a religion"...they are preaching the truth" or"spreadinmg the word of Jehovah". Of corurse it's all about semantics, for some reason they don't like the word convert.
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The frustration of talking to a person with a closed mind
by TheStumbler inokay, this is going to be a bit of a general rant.
i had a long conversation with a jw elder recently about shunning and evolution.
i became qunite frustrated with the conversation and admitted this at the time.
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Dismissing servant
Hey! Science and facts doesn't promise him an etarnal life petting lions and pandas.......why the heck should he "believe" in evolution?? This is an example of cognitive dissonance.
Anyhow...keep asking questions.....don't overload him with facts...he is not receptable for facts.
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The rank and file and mentally diseased!
by ADJUSTMENTS inthis sounds like the typical rank and file jw, it's actually a mental disorder, i and many others were once in this state.... delusional disorder is an uncommon psychiatric condition in which patients present with delusions, but with no accompanying prominent hallucinations, thought disorder, mood disorder, or significant flattening of affect.
[ 1 ][ 2 ] delusions are a specific symptom of psychosis.
non-bizarre delusions are fixed false beliefs that involve situations that could potentially occur in real life; examples include being followed or poisoned.
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The problem is that the diagnostic system of psychiatric disorders makes explicit exeptions for religious beliefs. If you believ that Jesus was born by a virgin you are not delusional, but if you believe that your became pregnant by some godly interventin you are delutional. This is a bit illogic, I agree, but the vergin bith of Jesus is so established in the western culture so we cannot say people believing i it are delutional in a strict way.
This one is a bit harder... someone believing that Jesus returned invisibly in the year 2011 is probably delusional......but a group of poeple in an established religion stating that he returned in 1914 is probably not delusional in a strict psychiatric meaning. Even if we both, and probably most people here and everywhere find that belief just outright crazy.
Neverthess, my point about scaring people back to the kingdom hall is about how to interact with believers.......calling them delusional doensn't make them listen to us...........they just identify us as aggressie apostates.